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steamtrain6868

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My Intention of I ride Greyhound too was to engage the Amtrak and Greyhound-Trailways-Megabus Riders in a discussion about the need for Amtrak and Greyhound to work together to share ticketing and Passes and Terminals. I also want to help improve Intercity Bus as a feeder into Amtrak. My discussions with the ABA American Bus Association is that they have contacted Amtrak about a shared pass and schedules and they said that they are not interested . Likewise I have talked to Ross Capon of the Association of Railroad Passengers about the need for advocacy for bus passengers and he say hes not interested.

I live in the Midwest were there is not much train service but plenty of Greyhound. I would ride Greyhound to New York State/City or Pittsburgh and Change to Amtrak. Can we have a civil discussion about ground transportation here were all partys are involved?
 
You're free to establish a "Greyhound Unlimited" forum and set guidelines as you see fit. Why try to hijack this one in service of your bus fetish?
 
You're free to establish a "Greyhound Unlimited" forum and set guidelines as you see fit. Why try to hijack this one in service of your bus fetish?
I think he - (1) - believes we may be Amtrak and can do something about his wish, or, (2) he is upset his original BUS thread was moved to where it should be, the non-rail area of this forum.

If all he wants is a discussion about bus and Amtrak inter-relationships, then I'll leave this thread here in case any one wants to discuss that aspect.
 
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Amtrak inter-relationships? If I want to go to Allentown /Bethelaham PA which is a railfan heaven for NS I have to take Amtrak to NYC and transfer to Trans bridge Bus lines...There are also plenty of towns that Amtrak passes through but does not stop but are served by Greyhound or Trailways. I bus fetish?! I need to get to out of the way places that are not on the Amtrak System by ground or have poor Amtrak sceduels like in the middle of the night or 12 hour layovers
 
I'm not a bus expert or even necessarily a bus proponent, but I wouldn't mind having this discussion in the Amtrak forum. So long as it deals with intermodal connections with Amtrak it seems like it would be on-topic by my understanding. It also seems rather disingenuous for folks with a train fetish to mock folks who are interested in bus-train interlining.
 
While there are numerous example of Amtrak-Greyhound/Thruway/Misc-Bus connections, it really just scratches the surface IMHO.

It would greatly benefit Amtrak, and the bus operators if it were easier to just FIND OUT about connections.

As stated, some regions do a pretty good job, but overall, the ease of use, or "findability" factor in the USA really blows.

If you are "Joe Average Traveler", you are hosed. You really have to dig, and research, (in many areas, NOT all) to find connections.

I've used RouteFriend, but the question is, why isn't there a search page like that on Amtrak/Greyhound/Transit Agencies/ et all web sites? It'd be great too if a product like RouteFriend would also include ferries and airlines One could pick and choose the modes they wish to use. I know, "Who's gonna pay for it?"

And the number of connections / transfer points that are NOT listed must be enormous.

Intermodal works, for all players involved. Nothing I've seen proves otherwise, or detrimental to one carrier.

What's really needed is a "Intermodal" advocacy group, like NARP, or ABA. This group would advocate the linking of air/rail/highway/water regardless of region or carriers. Funding of course would be a great problem, as WHO is going pony up? I guess you could get minor amounts from some certain metropolitan govt's, but they would most likely want to fold that money into some kind of local transit or planning agency more suited to their local needs.

I like the idea though.
 
My Intention of I ride Greyhound too was to engage the Amtrak and Greyhound-Trailways-Megabus Riders in a discussion about the need for Amtrak and Greyhound to work together to share ticketing and Passes and Terminals. I also want to help improve Intercity Bus as a feeder into Amtrak. My discussions with the ABA American Bus Association is that they have contacted Amtrak about a shared pass and schedules and they said that they are not interested . Likewise I have talked to Ross Capon of the Association of Railroad Passengers about the need for advocacy for bus passengers and he say hes not interested.
While I'm not suggesting that things may not have changed and that the ABA is open to talks, generally more often than not I see & hear complaints from private bus companies about Amtrak getting subsidies and they don't. Except that they do, since they drive on our heavily subsidized roads. One of the worst complainers is Indian Trails in Michigan.

Additionally, despite the fact that Amtrak does in some places continue to maintain a relationship with Greyhound, I have to suspect that what's happened in the past continues to make Amtrak gunshy about increasing any relationship with Greyhound. Here's a post that I wrote several years ago for OTOL describing Greyhound's failures:

Having read the story in the topic on Budget Hotels setting up direct phone connections at Penn Station NY, I noticed a reference to their relationship with Greyhound Bus Lines. Well that reminded me of an incident that I witnessed just recently involving Greyhound and Amtrak Thruway Bus Service. Budget can only hope that Greyhound takes their relationship more seriously than they seem to do with Amtrak, as evidenced by my story. When I took the Pennsylvanian from Cleveland to connect with the Capital Limited after departing ClevFest, I had a 4-hour layover at Toledo. While I sat in the waiting room learning how to play Train Simulator on my laptop, I had the opportunity to witness Greyhound’s pitiful lack of concern over its agreement with Amtrak.

The westbound Pennsylvanian has a connection with Thruway Bus #8243 at 9:00pm. On this particular August night there were at least 20-25 people waiting for bus #8243. Approximately 10 minutes late a bus pulled up outside and in walked the Greyhound Driver. He walked over to the ticket counter and spoke to the agent for a about a minute. He then walked back across the waiting room and just before he went out the sliding door he stopped and turned. He then announced in a very surly voice with an, I don’t care attitude, that he had only 5 empty seats on the bus. He then immediately turned and went out the door.

For a few stunned seconds no one moved, and then about a dozen people grabbed their belongings and raced for the door. The rest just sat there stunned, either by the driver’s attitude or by the fact that they were now stranded or maybe both. While those inside started to collect their wits and try to figure out what to do, the losers in the free for all outside returned. Now it should be pointed out that all of these passengers had Amtrak tickets for this bus. From my conversations with a few of the people near me, and a few others that I overheard, most of these people had picked up their tickets at least 3 or 4 days prior to traveling. One young mother with 2 small children in tow that I spoke with extensively, had purchased her tickets almost 4 weeks prior. So it wasn’t like this was a sudden last minute decision on the part of all of these passengers.

A few of the now stranded passengers, including the young mother that I spoke with, went up to speak with the Amtrak agent. He asked them for their patience, said he was working with Greyhound to see if they had another bus, and to please return to their seats while he worked. He assured them that he would do everything he could possibly do. In my opinion he was extremely cool and professional under the circumstances.

After about ten minutes on the phone, the agent walked to the center of the waiting room to address all of the waiting passengers. He announced that Greyhound had no additional buses to send over. He then proceeded to tell them that he had paged his supervisor and was waiting for him to call back. He explained that he needed the manager’s permission to setup taxi service for the passengers. He asked for their continued patience, promised to keep them informed, and assured them that he was doing everything within his power.

Perhaps another 10 minutes went by before the agent once again came out. He told everyone that he had reached his supervisor and obtained approval for the taxies. He explained that the manager from the cab company was on his way over to make arrangements. He again thanked them for their continued patience, apologized for the problems, and the growing lateness of the hour.

Maybe five minutes later in walked the manager from the cab company. He immediately went over to the ticket counter to confer with the agent. After a few minutes of conversation, both the manager and the agent came out to talk with the passengers. The manager asked for a show of hands from all of those going to Detroit. The total came to 18 plus a fair amount of luggage. The manager told them that he already had 3 cabs coming, but that he needed to call for more. He promised that he would get them as quickly as possible. He then walked outside to speak with the first driver who had just showed up.

Finally around 9:45 the cab manager came in from outside and announced that he had enough cabs there for all of the waiting passengers. A total of two station wagons, three cars, and one van were waiting outside. The grateful passengers started filing outside to the waiting cars. The young mother and one other passenger quickly thanked the ticket agent, before proceeding outside.

Two new Amtrak agents came on duty at 10:00pm with the shift change. I could not completely hear all of the conversation, but I heard enough of the original agent telling the new arrivals of his fun and games for the evening. From what I did hear, I got the impression that this was not the first time that this had happened. Apparently Greyhound has decided that they would rather sell their own full priced tickets, than honor their commitment to Amtrak and the cheaper contract for the connecting service. This was however the worst overbooking that the agents had seen.

I find it incredible that Greyhound overbooks by that much. Even more astonishing was the driver’s surliness and total lack of feeling or concern for the people that he was stranding. If he had at least been polite and apologetic it would have helped a very difficult situation. I even heard several people comment on his rudeness.

The Amtrak agent however was the picture of perfection. He did everything right, he keep the people informed, he called all the people he could to solve the situation, he apologized for a situation he did not cause, he maintained his cool, and best of all he made sure that Amtrak was able to honor it’s commitment to it’s passengers. I especially liked the fact that he felt it was better to come out from behind the counter to speak more personally with the passengers, instead of remaining behind the counter and using the PA. It was a nice personal touch to try to connect with the group.

Sadly though, this is just one more expense that Amtrak didn’t need. Not to mention that I suspect that a few of the passengers will never return, even though Amtrak and its agent did everything right. I think that Amtrak seriously needs to consider continuing the contract with Greyhound, since they are apparently not interested in their commitment to Amtrak.
 
I've dealt with greyhound once in past five years. I met somebody coming to chicagO from Stl. I arrived at chicagos greyhound station early. I asked what area the bus arriving. Greyhound rep told me to go "over there". I restated my question and she was rude. I remarked that Amtrak would put them out of business once hsr was built. A few minutes later a police officer came over and scolded me for not following directions. Greyhound is a complete joke. Never again will I deal with them. I told my friend that I would pay the complete cost of the Amtrak ticket rather than deal with the idiots at greyhound.
 
The only thing that buses and trains have in common is that some of the larger stations had a Grayhound terminal attached. At Pennsylvania station there was once a large bus terminal at the rear and at Washington Union Station there is still a bus terminal upstairs. Thats the only thing that they have in common.

Quite frankly I find riding buses cramped and the ride nauseating. Some LD routes also cater to the lowest class of passengers that society has to offer. When you get a chance take a close look at some of the characters that ride these buses.
 
"Some LD routes also cater to the lowest class of passengers that society has to offer. When you get a chance take a close look at some of the characters that ride these buses. "

Yes and some of those same folks in the bar car can get intresting too. What gets really intresting is the BYOB policy of Amtrak. We have a right to travel no matter what class of soceity you are however having that right comes with some resposiblities. I love amtrak and the bus because I have had some intresting converasations over the years and almost married a couple of ladies who I met on the train or the bus.
 
Greyhound's so-called "reservations" policy makes it difficult for Amtrak to coordinate connections and fulfill customer expections. Here is what they say on their website:

HOW WE OPERATE

No reservations are necessary when you travel with Greyhound. If you know the departure schedule, simply arrive at the terminal at least an hour before departure to purchase your ticket. Boarding generally begins 15 to 30 minutes before departure. Seating is on a first-come, first- served basis. Advance purchase tickets do not guarantee a seat.

When Greyhound fills a regularly scheduled bus with passengers during times of peak demand, Greyhound plans for additional buses to accommodate passengers beyond the seating capacity of a single bus for any given schedule. However, our ability to add extra sections depends on the availability of buses, drivers and the number of passengers.

When picking up passengers en route (such as at a rest stop), continuing passengers who de-boarded at the rest stop are given priority to re- board.
 
The Amtrak route system is so skeletal that it would be a huge improvement to have coordinated intercity bus connections. Not that I expect it to happen.
 
Right now, except for in California, the bus lines and Amtrak seem to be competing. I think the best way is to continue with the thruway concept with busses dedicated for Amtrak passengers with reserved seating to eliminate the issues associated with Grey hound.
 
Alan, that sounds like a terrible experience for those amtrak pax that were supposed to be connecting via greyhound. Thank you for sharing that story.
 
last year I bused from utah to Vegas .

(( in the end I feel it was amtraks fault as the incomptent online SW never gave me the option to use the SWC

and bus from the CA AZ border area , But instead only offer to bus for 9 hours from utah ..))

It was pure hell for me

i dont do well at 1AM with no sleep (( no point sleeping if you are getting off at Midnight ))

and spending 8 H in a bus station While carrying over $10,000 in AV gear and super rare costumes .

no lockers so I could not use the John for 8 H . ( thank god Iam young ).

On top of this the Bus agent was so rude when I asked her what time zone we were in . ..

Oh yea on top of that I had to pay for my second case ( that was free on the train ) .and deal with Mrs Attitude again . lovely ..

Mind they are technically just the right size for amtrak carry on . what gives .

and being in seats smaller then a jump seat on a DC-9 is not what I would call fun .

if amtrak is going to continue to deal with the greyhound bus system they need to Demand that all there Pax have teh right to 2 FREE checked and one carry on .

and better respect .

I was so frazzled I ended up shipped my gear back with custom critcal Fed Ex and flew mccarren to denver then Train to OTM ...

Now city Buses like in LA are great IMO . I lived in LA county for 10 Years there Heavy rail metrolink ,, Metro and the light rail feed from the busses Very well ,

Peter
 
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Greyhound's so-called "reservations" policy makes it difficult for Amtrak to coordinate connections and fulfill customer expections. Here is what they say on their website:
And that's fine for Greyhound if they wish to enforce that policy for their passengers.

However, they have a contract with Amtrak that says that they will carry Amtrak's passengers. And Amtrak is guaranteeing that seat, so therefore Greyhound must guarantee the seat. And it's not like it's a surprise to Greyhound how many people are going to be there. I'm certain that Amtrak keeps them updated on how many passengers to expect each day for each connecting bus.
 
Alan, that sounds like a terrible experience for those amtrak pax that were supposed to be connecting via greyhound. Thank you for sharing that story.
It definitely wasn't pretty and I know that there were several anxious minutes for those people sitting there at that hour of the night in Toledo with seemingly no way home to Detroit. As I noted in my original post, the Amtrak ticket agent couldn't have done a better job than he did. I wrote a letter to Amtrak back then praising him for keeping his cool in the face of some very angry stares initially.

And I especially liked how he didn't make use of the PA. Coming out to stand in the middle where the bulk of the people were sitting was a very classy move IMHO. I think that it actually helped to calm the crowd in fact since he made it clear that he wasn't hiding from them. They could of course see him behind the counter on the phone too, but he made a personal connection by coming out from behind the counter to speak with them, instead of using the PA.

An interesting side note to all of this is that I note in the current TT that Amtrak is now using a service called Metrocars to connect Toledo to Detroit. I never really paid all that much attention to things after the incident back in 2001, so I don't know when the switch was made. But personally I'm glad that they aren't using Greyhound, unless of course Greyhound has cleaned up its act.
 
Yes and some of those same folks in the bar car can get intresting too. What gets really intresting is the BYOB policy of Amtrak.
Except for the Pacific Parlour Car (PPC) on the Coast Starlight (CS), no train on Amtrak had a "bar car"! And the BYOB policy on Amtrak is that only Sleeping Car passengers can bring their own alcoholic beverages with them - but they must be consumed in their sleeping compartments. They may not be consumed anywhere else. Coach passengers can not bring their own alcoholic beverages.
 
Except for the Pacific Parlour Car (PPC) on the Coast Starlight (CS), no train on Amtrak had a "bar car"!.......
Sure they did!......The Montrealer had the “Le Pub” car for years and it even had a piano with an entertainer......very popular with the ski crowd heading to Vermont especially on a Friday evening!
 
Except for the Pacific Parlour Car (PPC) on the Coast Starlight (CS), no train on Amtrak had a "bar car"!.......
Sure they did!......The Montrealer had the “Le Pub” car for years and it even had a piano with an entertainer......very popular with the ski crowd heading to Vermont especially on a Friday evening!
Ah YES! The Montrealer "Le Pub" car! It was absolutely wonderful. It had charm, ambiance and the right atmosphere for socializing. Not the current antiseptic lounges with blazing bright lights and the ambiance of a cheap diner. Spent many hours in one of those one time with two very nice Quebecois women heading to Montreal! ;) In spite of all the wonderful scenery on the Adirondack route I think the Montrealer was a much more convenient way to get to Montreal from New York for a weekend.

Coming to think of it, in the early Amtrak days, even the Lounge Car in Broadway Limited was quite nice - somewhat smoke-filled at times, but otherwise quite nice. I liked that train a lot when it ran. It was the original New York (and Washington DC) to Chicago train in the original National Network.
 
Except for the Pacific Parlour Car (PPC) on the Coast Starlight (CS), no train on Amtrak had a "bar car"!.......
Sure they did!......The Montrealer had the “Le Pub” car for years and it even had a piano with an entertainer......very popular with the ski crowd heading to Vermont especially on a Friday evening!
Ah YES! The Montrealer "Le Pub" car! It was absolutely wonderful. It had charm, ambiance and the right atmosphere for socializing. Not the current antiseptic lounges with blazing bright lights and the ambiance of a cheap diner. Spent many hours in one of those one time with two very nice Quebecois women heading to Montreal! ;) In spite of all the wonderful scenery on the Adirondack route I think the Montrealer was a much more convenient way to get to Montreal from New York for a weekend.

Coming to think of it, in the early Amtrak days, even the Lounge Car in Broadway Limited was quite nice - somewhat smoke-filled at times, but otherwise quite nice. I liked that train a lot when it ran. It was the original New York (and Washington DC) to Chicago train in the original National Network.

The Broadway Limited was one of my favorites too. Took my first overnight solo trip in the 5th grade from Harrisburg to Chicago on that train. The best days of that train for me was when it ran heritage equipment with slumbercoaches.
 
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