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Alon Levy’s recent article: Public Transportation and Crime are not About Each Other

I respect Alon a lot, and read everything they write, but in this particular point, I feel they're a little off base. I agree with the headline, but feel, in essence, that perception of danger in transit is nearly identical in importance to actual danger.

Curious to hear other’s reactions.
 
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Several of my friends on the north side have been threatened on the L - that would have never happened before Covid. And driving everywhere in the here City has gotten far, far, far worse than pre-covid (in large part, entitlement and knowledge of non-enforcement of traffic laws). Definitely there is a problem with crime - even Streetsblog touches on it thought they don't address real solutions to it.

I find a lot of YIMBY rhetoric to be neo-liberal or neo-capitalist in a naive way and urban dreaming rather than reality based, but I'll leave it at that.
 
Several of my friends on the north side have been threatened on the L - that would have never happened before Covid. And driving everywhere in the here City has gotten far, far, far worse than pre-covid (in large part, entitlement and knowledge of non-enforcement of traffic laws). Definitely there is a problem with crime - even Streetsblog touches on it thought they don't address real solutions to it.

I find a lot of YIMBY rhetoric to be neo-liberal or neo-capitalist in a naive way and urban dreaming rather than reality based, but I'll leave it at that.
One of my best friends is a doctoral student at Northwestern. He’s from NYC and is very transit literate and comfortable.

In his two years so far in Chicago, he’s witnessed two stabbings in train cars he’s been in.

This is a huge problem - despite transit being much safer than driving.
 
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Alon Levy’s recent article: Public Transportation and Crime are not About Each Other

I respect Alon a lot, and read everything they write, but in this particular point, I feel they're a little off base. I agree with the headline, but feel, in essence, that perception of danger in transit is nearly identical in importance to actual danger.

Curious to hear other’s reactions.

For many riders who CHOOSE transit, for a variety of reasons including cost of driving/parking and convenience, the perception of safety is key. If they do not feel safe, even if they are at worst discomforted and inconvenienced, they will opt to drive and avoid transit whenever possible.

For others who truly prefer to drive and only take transit when they find such "necessary", this standard increases. They are already predisposed not to like, but only tolerate it. They'll bust away if they have a good excuse. One bad experience or a few bad stories they hear and "nope."

But, even for carless (either by choice or economic necessity) users, I hear lots of stories about why people decide to take a certain route over another; or ride a bus rather than the L at night, for instance. Much of this comes from concern that "something bad COULD happen", even if it's not terribly likely. Or even because of bad behavior being the norm in certain places and times on transit.

Just ride the Red Line enough on a Saturday night in Chicago, for instance, and you're almost certain to see something strange going on, at minimum. Part of this, of course, is just urban life (which even a lot of urbanites aren't terribly comfortable tolerating or having to encounter), not to mention the many college students and twenty somethings out on the town to drink/party riding what I call the "university line", because of all the schools as well as entertainment areas along it's route. But, there's also plenty which can get kinda scary, if not outright dangerous. There are definitely parts of the CTA system on which I feel less safe than others. One challenge, I think, is that L trains typically run at full length at all times (this used to not be the case) and areas. Consequently, on parts of some routes, one can feel awful lonely and vulnerable. Frequently, there are homeless, addicts, and occasionally robbers who take advantage of such. One has to be watchful and street smart/aware of surroundings in these situations for safety.
 
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r One has to be watchful and street smart/aware of surroundings in these situations for safety.
Also have to look somewhat menacing. My times in NY City on cool or cold days would ware my long Navy coat with gloves stuffed into the pockets. Had more than one time someone mistook me for a policeman.
 
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Several of my friends on the north side have been threatened on the L - that would have never happened before Covid. And driving everywhere in the here City has gotten far, far, far worse than pre-covid (in large part, entitlement and knowledge of non-enforcement of traffic laws). Definitely there is a problem with crime - even Streetsblog touches on it thought they don't address real solutions to it.

I find a lot of YIMBY rhetoric to be neo-liberal or neo-capitalist in a naive way and urban dreaming rather than reality based, but I'll leave it at that.
I've never had any problem with crime or unruly behavior on transit since Covid, but I agree that driving has really gotten bad. Most drivers are fine, but I'm encountering a lot more knucklehead aggressive moves and disregard of traffic controls than I did before the pandemic.

There has long been a perception that transit and criminal behavior are linked, and this goes way before Covid. I think at the core it's a combination of racial and class bigotry and snobbery (which I guess is a form of class bigotry.) As the middle class fled to the suburbs once they had access to cars and freeways after WW2, the parts of the cities that had good transit service did tend to be used by poorer people and there was more crime. Also, during the 1950s through the 1970s, young people (actually everybody) were getting dosed pretty well with l=atmospheric lead emissions from all the new cars that burned leaded gasoline. There's apparently evidence that this had effects on impulse control on enough young people that it was one of the factors causing increased crime rates in the 1960s through the 1980s. And people who are all in an anxious tizzy about today's crime rates should realize that even with the small recent uptick in crime, it's nothing like the crime rates in the late 1960s and early 1970s. I know. I lived through it, riding the Broad Street Subway every day to school 1967-1971 right through the roughest slums of North Philadelphia. And, with one exception, I, a nerdy teenager, was never bothered.
 
I've never had any problem with crime or unruly behavior on transit since Covid, but I agree that driving has really gotten bad. Most drivers are fine, but I'm encountering a lot more knucklehead aggressive moves and disregard of traffic controls than I did before the pandemic.

There has long been a perception that transit and criminal behavior are linked, and this goes way before Covid. I think at the core it's a combination of racial and class bigotry and snobbery (which I guess is a form of class bigotry.) As the middle class fled to the suburbs once they had access to cars and freeways after WW2, the parts of the cities that had good transit service did tend to be used by poorer people and there was more crime. Also, during the 1950s through the 1970s, young people (actually everybody) were getting dosed pretty well with l=atmospheric lead emissions from all the new cars that burned leaded gasoline. There's apparently evidence that this had effects on impulse control on enough young people that it was one of the factors causing increased crime rates in the 1960s through the 1980s. And people who are all in an anxious tizzy about today's crime rates should realize that even with the small recent uptick in crime, it's nothing like the crime rates in the late 1960s and early 1970s. I know. I lived through it, riding the Broad Street Subway every day to school 1967-1971 right through the roughest slums of North Philadelphia. And, with one exception, I, a nerdy teenager, was never bothered.
I can relate to this, thinking of the Metro in DC in the 70s and 80s when Crime was "The Thing" in the District!

And of course the Subways in the Apple during the Crack days before they "Cleaned up" the City!
 
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