Perhaps this will increase ridership into Grand Central?The East River Tunnel Rehab Project is starting to see some motion:
https://www.rtands.com/passenger/in...es-procurement-for-east-river-tunnel-renewal/
Perhaps this will increase ridership into Grand Central?The East River Tunnel Rehab Project is starting to see some motion:
https://www.rtands.com/passenger/in...es-procurement-for-east-river-tunnel-renewal/
Do we know for sure that there will be exactly one RFP, and that the big project will not be broken up into chunks of work governed by separate RFPs?Anyone willing to predict which Delivery partner will win the RFP?
Do we know for sure that there will be exactly one RFP, and that the big project will not be broken up into chunks of work governed by separate RFPs?
25% complete? Find it hard to believe 2027 for completion. Maybe being very cautious looking for unanticipated items.?
It is NJT. In my experience if there is even a remote way to muck it up they will, and then some. They have always been the inverse Midas touch run by every possible incompetence under one roof I used to live there on the M&E Line walking distance to Short Hills, so I have a bit of experience with them.Settlement issues? That can be a very big deal. Could it be that NJ Transit and whoever is not with NJT did not want Amtrak informed about the settlement problems? If present Portal bridge gets out of alignment??
Settlement issues? That can be a very big deal. Could it be that NJ Transit and whoever is not with NJT did not want Amtrak informed about the settlement problems? If present Portal bridge gets out of alignment??
In the coming days if they have to restrict travel across the Portal Bridge due to subsidence or shifting it would be useful to remind them that they sort of knew about it if only they could get their heads out of dark places and listen to experts. I just hope that it does not come to that.I think it is about rocking the boat, making waves, and letting cat out of the bag. The "shut up" comment says it all.
If settling of the old bridge causes an accident, and NJT knew about it and didn't inform anyone, that could be criminal. Anyone in the know at NJT should be talking to a lawyer about whistleblower protection to save themselves from jail time. A coverup always makes things worse.In the coming days if they have to restrict travel across the Portal Bridge due to subsidence or shifting it would be useful to remind them that they sort of knew about it if only they could get their heads out of dark places and listen to experts. I just hope that it does not come to that.
I think NYC's restarted Gateway Project is going to yield 19' vertical clearance, which will allow Amtrak to standardize on two-level cars... I tend to lean towards the single level approach that can standardize the Amtrak fleet...
No. The new tunnels after installation of catenary, will not be able to host 16' tall cars. Amtrak has categorically stated so several times, and yet people keep talking about this. Also once they go through the tunnel where are they going to go in Penn station which does not have the clearance anyway? How will they get to the tunnel through Newark Penn Station?I think NYC's restarted Gateway Project is going to yield 19' vertical clearance, which will allow Amtrak to standardize on two-level cars
They're also going to refurb the existing tunnels once traffic moves to the new tunnels. When refurbished they'll be reopened to traffic. They'd have to track which train could use which tunnel.No. The new tunnels after installation of catenary, will not be able to host 16' tall cars. Amtrak has categorically stated so several times, and yet people keep talking about this. Also once they go through the tunnel where are they going to go in Penn station which does not have the clearance anyway?
When I saw reports of the project restart, I spent half a day looking for the new tunnels dimensions. My Google-fu failed me, because I wasn't able to turn up anything except a 2017 Gateway "Fourth Plan" that said at least one tunnel should be tall enough to handle double-stacked containers (21' clearance).No. The new tunnels after installation of catenary, will not be able to host 16' tall cars. Amtrak has categorically stated so several times, and yet people keep talking about this. Also once they go through the tunnel where are they going to go in Penn station which does not have the clearance anyway?
What will the 25' be "after installation of catenary"?When I saw reports of the project restart, I spent half a day looking for the new tunnels dimensions. My Google-fu failed me, because I wasn't able to turn up anything except a 2017 Gateway "Fourth Plan" that said at least one tunnel should be tall enough to handle double-stacked containers (21' clearance).
The Gateway Program's own description mentioned only that some avenue overpass would be raised to create 19' clearance on an approach to the tunnels. I inferred (apparently incorrectly), that spending money to raise the overpass clearance meant that a tunnel would be at least as tall (but I've never been able to think like a government project). It also includes an expansion to Penn Station.
Looking again, I find an Amtrak Hudson River Tunnel "Preferred Alternative" planning doc from 2021 specifying inner diameter of 25'. That would be plenty of room for a double-height (16' 2") passenger car.
Was an inferior alternative approved instead? Where is Amtrak saying that it will spend billions of dollars to build new tunnels as substandard as the old ones? I'd just like to see the bad news in writing before telling others how incompetent our government is.
We asked Amtrak's executive who came to the RPA meeting, and he said categorically that the tunnels will not be designed to allow the use of Superliners because there is no way for them to get there or get into Penn Station and modify the platforms to be low level, or standardize on multi-level cars with vestibule at 4' over TOR and hence no through walkway at the upper floor.Was an inferior alternative approved instead? Where is Amtrak saying that it will spend billions of dollars to build new tunnels as substandard as the old ones? I'd just like to see the bad news in writing before telling others how incompetent our government is.
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