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Those seats look very comfortable, it's just a shame they don't have seat belts.

As to the headliner... Greyhound probably uses whatever comes standard. I would think they would want a solid surface (not fabric), in grey pattern (not one color) as that's most likely to hide dirt and stains.

I still can't get over the pictures of the disgustingly dirty lights on those D4505s. Why would Greyhound maintenance let it get that bad??
 
Regarding the dirty lights, it's possible that a passenger intentionally made it dirty and the other passenger photographed it before the coach received a cleaning. Or possibly some bug got inside and laid larvae then it rapidly spread all over. I know some bugs are attracted to light.

You know, when I was on #86284, I spilled some coffee when we were going up the Berthoud Pass switchbacks. I tried to clean up all I could, but couldn't do it too obviously. Thankfully, everything was mopped up at Salt Lake City and there was no residue remaining by the time I got back on.

So I'm thinking Greyhound coach cleaners are competent and will clean up a coach when they get the chance to. Unfortunately, it's difficult on some turn-and-burns like the San Francisco-Arcata. There's no cleaners in Arcata so the coach goes two days without cleaning. AFAIK, all they do in Arcata is dump the trash and (possibly) get some fuel. If some bug got on at Oakland and laid larvae that hatched by Arcata, then the return run would be disgusting. Kinda sucks.

Regarding the DL3 seats, yeah they don't have seat belts, but they're old seats and the vehicles are still safe. I wonder what kind of seats those are and how they came to be in that DL3. They're actually probably not Torino nor are they Patriot. Not National or American either.
 
Oh please that's not larvae (which would be even more gross!!) that's clearly a thick layer of dust.

Also, what reason would a passenger have to intentionally to do that? Assuming they could, which I seriously doubt.

Stop trying to blame something else, this is clearly just disgustingly inadequate maintenance on the part of Greyhound.
 
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Oh please that's not larvae (which would be even more gross!!) that's clearly a thick layer of dust.

Also, what reason would a passenger have to intentionally to do that? Assuming they could, which I seriously doubt.

Stop trying to blame something else, this is clearly just disgustingly inadequate maintenance on the part of Greyhound.
OK, well I guess it was just stuck into turn-and-burn and didn't get a cleaning for a long time. I'm still not sure how a huge layer of dust would get in there, though.

But last time the "roach incident" on #6512 was likely not caused by inadequate cleaning. That incident likely involved one roach that got in and started laying larvae that ended up rapidly hatching and covering the entire coach interior.

Turn-and-burn really sucks for some short-distance coaches. The long-distance ones are better, they have planned "cleaning time" at the major service stops. I agree Greyhound pushes their short-distance coaches too much.

Well look what I saw on Google Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3471721,-120.6195912,3a,15.3y,248.14h,86.49t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s3OqAepiNdSiwAt-FvPnv6w!2e0.

That's D4505 #86319 displaying "SPECIAL".
 
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OK, well I guess it was just stuck into turn-and-burn and didn't get a cleaning for a long time. I'm still not sure how a huge layer of dust would get in there, though.

But last time the "roach incident" on #6512 was likely not caused by inadequate cleaning. That incident likely involved one roach that got in and started laying larvae that ended up rapidly hatching and covering the entire coach interior.

Turn-and-burn really sucks for some short-distance coaches. The long-distance ones are better, they have planned "cleaning time" at the major service stops. I agree Greyhound pushes their short-distance coaches too much.
Sounds like Greyhound needs to find a way to get those coaches in for regular maintenance and during that time, make sure they get a thorough cleaning.

Either that or regularly cycle coaches between short and long runs.
 
They should, I'm not sure exactly why these short-distance coaches keep having these turn-and-burn problems. Three separate D4505s have been complained about regarding dust accumulation, and all three were on short-distance routes.

Also, this White G is beat up too: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202495319524199&set=o.117755058267776&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-xpa1%2Fv%2Ft1.0-9%2F10568970_10202495319524199_6995274161790573410_n.jpg%3Foh%3D35275c003ad92ab47e077e89d00745db%26oe%3D54AA8FF0%26__gda__%3D1422164198_a48f2de6945debaba425f3f00e725fc0&size=543%2C960.

Many people think the White G is "old" even though it's actually not that old, 2001-2003 isn't that old.

Also, that White G was on a short-distance route.

The cleaner coaches are generally on routes like Reno-Salt lake City-Reno 1308/1345. Those get an overnight rest at the endpoints, plenty of time for cleaning. The routes themselves don't have much turnover, the load comes on at Reno and comes off at SLC. Just one load per day, basically at most 50 people. Whereas you have short-distance coaches carrying as many as 400 people a day with barely any time for cleaning. Those run like extended 24-hour transit buses and they can't really rotate into long-distance runs easily.

I guess Greyhound should just buy more coaches, like, right now. That would allow more time for cleaning per coach.

Greyhound Canada just updated their website again, BTW.
 
That sucks. I think dot can go scratch. Its gonna make the seats even more uncomfortable then they r. Especially on greyhound. Don't get me wrong, I like greyhound but they really need better seats with more room. I always felt like all the wanted to do was squeeze as many ppl on as possible
 
I disagree.

To quote from NHTSA... "On average, 21 motorcoach and large bus occupants are killed and 7,934 are injured annually in motor vehicle crashes, according to NHTSA data. Requiring seat belts could reduce fatalities by up to 44 percent and reduce the number of moderate to severe injuries by up to 45 percent."

Motorcoach passengers without seat belts are especially vulnerable in rollover crashes (big windows increase the likelihood of a passenger ejection).

While I agree that Greyhound's current seat belt equipped seats are very uncomfortable, it's not the seat belts that make them uncomfortable. I have rode on other seat belt equipped buses and found the seats and the seat belts to be quite comfortable.

Also, while I think every passenger should wear their seat belt and Greyhound should take measures to remind passengers to buckle up (announcements and lighted signs would be great)... there are currently no laws requiring that passengers wear seat belts on motorcoaches.
 
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U have to remember that u need to take what dot says with a grain of salt. They listen only to special interest groups instead of the people who actually know what's going on. They also like to inflate their figures to make it look better. Found out the hard way when I drove truck. They only listen to ones that hate trucks and buses.

Also, except for a few times, I have never had a comfortable seat on a greyhound. If I didn't know better I'd swear they put uncomfortable seats with no room. Lol. Wish they had seats like most of the charter co and some trailways co.
 
Greyhound was one of the companies that came out in support of the new NHTSA regulations.

Again I respectfully disagree, I think seat belts on buses are a good thing.
 
That sucks. I think dot can go scratch. Its gonna make the seats even more uncomfortable then they r. Especially on greyhound. Don't get me wrong, I like greyhound but they really need better seats with more room. I always felt like all the wanted to do was squeeze as many ppl on as possible
Greyhound actually configures their coaches with less seating in order to create extra legroom. However, Greyhound's newest X3-45s and D4505s have a type of seat called "Premier". Premier, despite its name, is a very uncomfortable seat. It is made like a reclining version of a school bus seat. It has minimal padding and is painful to sit in unless you sit on a pillow. Moreover, the seat is set very close to the floor, reducing legroom.

So even though Greyhound tried to create extra legroom in the X3-45 and D4505, they ended up reduced legroom by using the Premier seats. AFAIK, they ordered Premier seats for a couple of reasons:

  • They looked nice and Greyhound needed to improve its reputation.
  • They had seat belts.
  • They had "containment", complying with FMVSS school bus standards.
Greyhound's new X3-45s and D4505s would have 55 seats as standard, but Greyhound only put 50 seats in them. So they definitely didn't try to squeeze on as many people as possible, they tried to create more room for passengers, but they just used the wrong type of seat, Premier, which ended up with less room. This basically proves that seating type does not go with "more room".

Right now what Greyhound needs isn't more room, they need better seating. Thankfully, word on the street is that Greyhound will order something else next time, no more Premiers. In the meantime, we'll just have to deal with the Premiers and hope we get to ride a DL3 or Blue G, which have much better seating.

BTW, most Greyhound buses in the Northeast are X3-45s. Most Greyhound buses in the West are D4505s.

U have to remember that u need to take what dot says with a grain of salt. They listen only to special interest groups instead of the people who actually know what's going on. They also like to inflate their figures to make it look better. Found out the hard way when I drove truck. They only listen to ones that hate trucks and buses.

Also, except for a few times, I have never had a comfortable seat on a greyhound. If I didn't know better I'd swear they put uncomfortable seats with no room. Lol. Wish they had seats like most of the charter co and some trailways co.
Those few times were probably on a DL3. The Blue G has only been around for about a year or two, they used to be the crappy White Gs but Greyhound rebuilt them and now they are far better. The Blue G has lots of legroom and comfortable seating.

The original White G had comfortable seating and regular legroom but they were so terribly flimsy from the beginning that most passengers felt very uncomfortable in them. One two-month-old White G lost its tag axle at highway speed.

Greyhound used to have their MC-12s which had good seating but they were narrowbody 96" coaches and they were configured standard with 47 seats, no extra legroom. So they were still uncomfortable despite having good seating. The MC-12s were Greyhound's last 96" coaches and all have been retired.

The DL3s always had comfortable seating and they originally had standard 55-seat configuration with regular legroom, but during the rebuilds, Greyhound took out a row and increased the legroom. Now they only have 51 seats. In terms of comfort, the DL3 would be the best. It has extra legroom and comfortable seating. Greyhound Canada has some VIP DL3s which have winged headrests.

Some charter companies and Trailways companies use the Painful Premiers too. The other ones use seats similar to Greyhound's DL3. Depending on the company, they'll have regular or some extra legroom. So they're generally the same as Greyhound in terms of seating and legroom.
 
Legroom was never a problem for me. I'm kinda short. Only 5'6". It was width that bothered me. If I had two seats to myself I was fine but if I had to share I felt like a sardine. Yeah, the dl3's o was on were ok for room. I thought the mc12's had more room then any even tho I know they were only 96". I always through greyhound could invest in slightly wider seats.

I'm hoping to take a short one or two day trip this weekend if greyhounds web site ever cooperates. Keeps telling me I need to enter a starting point even tho I did.
 
AFAIK, they ordered Premier seats for a couple of reasons:

  • They looked nice and Greyhound needed to improve its reputation.
  • They had seat belts.
  • They had "containment", complying with FMVSS school bus standards.
Swadian hit the nail on the head here, but I wanted to clarify one thing... the FMVSS containment standards ensure that the seats are designed to contain passengers who aren't wearing a seat belt in a non-rollover accident (like a school bus seat does), but new motorcoaches are not required to meet school bus standards.
 
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If the govt is gonna push so-called safety requirements for passengers then I'd like to know when they r gonna make bus drivers follow the same regs as truck drivers. Bus drivers still only need an 8hrs break where a truck driver needs 10hrs.
 
In terms of seat width, the 102"-wide 102DL3 obviously has wider seats than the 96"-wide MC-12. Both of them have been outfitted with many different seat models.

Greyhound's seats have the same width as all the charter and tour seats, so again, I don't see why you say they intentionally made their coaches less comfortable. They can't put in wider seats and retain the 2-2 config, the aisle is already only 14" wide. Also, putting in narrower seats doesn't mean any extra seating capacity with the standard 2-2 config.

I don't see any evidence or logic that Greyhound could put in wider seat or that they intentionally put in narrow seats or less comfortable seats like the Premier. At the time (2009), Premier was considered the safest seat in the industry, though now competitors are challenging that position.

Please tell me how Greyhound is supposed to put in wider seats without taking out the armrests or squishing people in the aisle: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95851032@N07/14798081385/sizes/l.
 
Maybe it's just the way the seats are designed. It always felt like they were narrower. Maybe it also means I need to lose some weight too. Lol. It has been about 4 years since I was in a greyhound. I was on both a dl3 and a mc12 that trip. Just seemed the seats on the charters I've been in were a bit wider. I will say this though. The seats at the time really hurt my back. Its like they were curved too much. It had to b before they removed seats cause the seats barely reclined. I'm hoping I can find somewhere I can go over the weekend that I'd get to ride a greyhound again so I can see what the buses looks like and what the seats r like. Unfortunatrlly it looks like it may b only trailways I get to ride.
 
Please don't get me wrong. I am not bashing greyhound. Except for one trip where the bus was 4 hrs late I think it was. I've had good experiences with them. Especially the drivers except for the one that was so late. He was a jerk.
 
4 years ago? That does make sense. In 2010, the MC-12s were getting retired so it's possible they had broken seats with no recline. The 102DL3s were also a bit worn out by that time, that's why they were rebuilt 2010-2014. I don't understand why the seats hurt your back though, because those coaches didn't have the Premiers and those Premiers really, REALLY hurt.

The charter seats would have been the same width as the DL3s though wider than the MC-12.

These are the Premiers on the D4505: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95851032@N07/15424712185.

And Premiers on the X3-45: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95851032@N07/14716298109.

They look nice but they are definitely Painful Premiers.
 
The seats seemed to have a curve which was probably a form of lumbar support but it wad too much. I also felt like I was leaning back with it all the way up. I did forget that the bus that wad late wad I believe a pre cost because I remember thinking when did greyhound get prevost? I had never seen one in their livery till then only mci.

I think I finally found a trip I can take this weekend that will b on greyhound. Only thing is I have to drive to Harrisburg. If I go from Hazleton I get there too late and leave to early. Planning on a trip to Pittsburgh. Will let you guys know how it went and what equipment I was on.
 
Those pictures finally loaded. The seats do look comfortable but I can imagine how bad they r. Hope if I do get to go over the weekend that I don't get to experience them. Guess I should bring a cushion just in case.
 
If you had too much lumbar support, it must have been Patriot PT seating. Those seat are designed more for sleeping than for sitting. But they recline a ton and you say they didn't recline much at all. Then again, perhaps those seats were worn in 2010 and needed repairs. Currently the rebuilt DL3s' common Patriot PT seating have 55 degrees of recline, it actually doesn't recline that much at the axis but it curves so far back that the seatback itself reclines to 55 degrees. Kinds an ingenious design if you want a good seat for sleeping without using big, heavy, expensive sleeper seats, but some people find it bad for sitting.

These are the DL3 seats (Patriot PT): http://s3-media2.ak.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/MefI--vJTXPFUhTEfvouIQ/l.jpg.

When you recline them back they go to ridiculous angles, but in the daytime most people don't do it.

I personally find them comfortable and far better than the Painful Premiers because the Premiers have zero support, it just sags like a bag.

Don't drive to Harrisburg, just drive to Scranton if you really just want to ride a Greyhound. But don't do it this weekend because the fares are much cheaper when you book in advance. Most likely you'll just get a X3-45 with Painful Premiers.
 
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