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Unfortunately I only get to book a day or two in advance as I rarely know too far in advance when I'm gonna b off let alone what day or days I'll b off. I'll have to check Scranton out but it still may b the same problem as leaving from Hazleton. That's the bus I'd get here anyway. Maybe they have one that bypasses Hazleton.
 
Greyhound stops at Scranton: http://extranet.greyhound.com/revsup/schedules/pageset.html.

Doesn't stop at Hazelton though.

Closest they get is heading down I-80 on the New York-Chicago and New York-Detroit Limiteds. No stopping of course, just a rest stop at Milesburg. Limiteds are really fast long-distance runs with minimal stopping.

Speaking of Limiteds, it seems like Greyhound has rebranded their Los Angeles-Portland/Seattle/Vancouver runs as Limiteds even though many of them still make a bunch of stops. Technically, there's already "Greyhound Express" on the Portland-Seattle-Vancouver except they're just rebranded locals. Also, if one tries to book Sacramento-Portland, most of those are branded as Limiteds.

Somewhat weird but I hope Greyhound will turn those into actual Limiteds.

It also seems like Greyhound has a few ex-Americanos White D4505s and White J4500s based out of Los Angeles. I wonder what they are like inside. They appear to have 425hp Detroit 60 EGR engines.
 
I'll have to either try again when I have WiFi or stop at my folks house to use a computer after work tomorrow. I don't have one right now. I can't access the timetables from my phone right now.
 
Detroit 60 EGR is California-complaint. Greyhound recently sent a lot of coaches with Detroit 60 EGR to Los Angeles. The vast majority of Greyhound coaches in California and around there are blue D4505s but they also have some ex-Americanos White G4500s, 102DL3s, J4500s, and D4505s, and Blue X3-45s. And even some ex-Americanos Blue 102DL3s and a tiny amount of Greyhound's own blue DL3s. So yeah, a bit of everything except the Blue G, but in actuality, almost totally D4505.

Some of the Americanos X3-45s have been repainted into Greyhound livery.

This is a common sight in California: https://www.flickr.com/photos/10677920@N05/15236430111/sizes/l.

That's a 2010 D4505 with a very late model Detroit 60 EGR, appears to be a 14L. I believe it was built on Greyhound's special request as the Detroit 60 was not a standard option by 2010. And it has Painful Premier seats, for that matter.

Yes, it's Greyhound's 100th Anniversary.

Common sight here in Reno: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95851032@N07/15106814867/sizes/l.
In San Francisco: https://www.flickr.com/photos/busdudedotcom/14796426721/sizes/l.
They keep on coming: https://www.flickr.com/photos/busdudedotcom/13573697303/sizes/l.

Endless D4505s in the West. You probably won't find much in the East because most are out West.
 
That had to be special request. Detroit had stopped the 50/60 series in 2004. That's why I thought they weren't California compliant.

Was americanos a division of greyhound?
 
Detroit most definitely did not drop the Series 60 in 2004. It was listed as a standard option for the MCI D4505 as late as the 2009 model year. It was also the standard option for Prevost's X3-45 and H3-45.

Americanos is very confusing. This should explain Americanos better: https://www.greyhound.com/en/Newsroom/viewrelease.aspx?id=29&year=1999.

So basically, Americanos was oringally an independent Mexican operator. Greyhound formed SITA in 1997 to inaugurate Greyhound Mexico service. SITA was basically a subsidiary like BoltBus, except Spanish-speaking for Mexicans. SITA bought 49% of the original Americanos and various amounts of other international bus operators, then used the Americanos, Amigos, and Cruceros brand names to operate everything. It appears that at some point, SITA also "borrowed" some Greyhound DL3s (#6200-6205) for a new operation called Autobuses Lationos, running Chicago-Laredo. The operation failed and the DL3s were returned to Greyhound. Amigos died early on and SITA was apparently disbanded and renamed to Americanos, then merged with Cruceros.

Then all the ex-SITA routes and equipment were registered under Americanos but some of the coaches were still branded Cruceros.

In 2013, Americanos merged with Greyhound. So at some point, SITA must have purchased the remainder of Americanos.

Then there was a Mexican company called Golden State Lines based from Los Angeles that was independently-owned but contracted with Greyhound for maintenance and leased some equipment. The operation was shut down due to "trafficking" and police temporarily closed the Los Angeles terminal, causing massive disruptions to Greyhound and SITA operations.

Most of the SITA coaches were Viaggios, G4100s, and G4500s. They apparently also used 102D3s and 102DL3s for US domestic routes. At the border, the American coaches would be switched to a Mexican one like the Viaggio.

All this is extraordinarily confusing.
 
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Ok. I'll have to take your word on the 60 series. Gonna double check with my boss cause he said when the u ordered our 2005 model year buses that Detroit had stopped offering the 50 series at the end of 2004 production year and the u had to go with come a parts.

My former boss was who told me that the 60 series was stopped to. He didn't know much about trucks or engines so it don't surprise me about that.
 
I believe the Detroit 50 was indeed discontinued in 2004, I'm not sure. I just know the 60 remained much longer for on-highway trucks and buses. As evidence, look at this Pre-Owned 2008 MCI D4505 Standard, powered by a Detroit 60 EGR 435hp coupled to a ZF transmission: http://sales.mcicoach.com/preowned/pcoach.nsf/(searchresults)/1546BA08C52517C285257CE6005B29C8?editdocument.

Also, Greyhound Lines 2010 MCI D4505 #86352 shows its large single radiator fan and Detroit 60-H EGR engine while parked for maintenance at Los Angeles in July 2014: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0341747,-118.2374482,3a,15y,80.45h,82.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1suOLpd5BI6Ta-OpStL1o2Ag!2e0.

In MCIs, most Caterpillar engines are painted yellow, Cummins red, and Detroit blue-green. I think the old two-stroke Detroits like the 8V71N or 6V92TA were white or blue-green, the new DD13 is grey.
 
I've never driven a coach, only a transit bus, but I always was partial to Detroit. Especially the 50/60 series. Cats r great engines at least for trucks but it seemed they weren't as good in the buses I've ridden on. As far as I'm concerned come a parts aka Cummins are horrible. I can attest to them in trucks and transit buses. More problems then they are worth.

Does anyone know if mci, prevost, and other coach manufacturers use voith transmissions?
 
The colors you mentioned for the engines are about the same as trucks with the exception of the 60 series Detroit. That was grey. The two strokes were those plus also an ugly green. At least the 6v71 that's in my bosses antique bus is an ugly green.
 
MCI currently offers Allison and ZF transmissions. Prevost offers Allison and Volvo. Van Hool offers Allison only. No Voith. MCI used to offer Fuller and Eaton-Fuller, don't know if the others used to offer those.

CATs were trouble when Greyhound Canada tried them on their 1997 102DL3s. AFAIK, they were efficient but difficult to maintain and were no more efficient than Detroit. These coaches have now been retired. They were coupled to Fuller T11607D manuals I believe.

Cummins has been trouble on Greyhound US' newest 2013 D4505s. They guzzle fuel and have "regen errors". Unfortunately, Cummins is the only real option for transit buses (Buy America) now that Detroit no longer makes the Series 50.

Detroit seems to do the best but the Detroit 60 EGR has had some problems with fuel guzzling and some fires. Greyhound's 2010 D4505s, powered by Detroit 60 EGR, had multiple minor fires and three major fires that destroyed the coaches. The minor fires were apparently in the engine compartment but the major fires appear to have started in the tag axle wells instead. Fire suppression systems are now standard in the D4505s and the newer 2013 ones have such systems, made by Amerax.

Detroit 60 without EGR continues to perform very well on the DL3s.

I live in the West and all we see here are D4505s, both with Cummins and with Detroit.

Oh, regarding the Premiers, they apparently redid the design and came out with the new Premier LS in 2012 but to me it feels like the same as the Premier, PAINFUL and UNCOMFORTABLE. But OK if you sit on a pillow.
 
I'm glad none of the bus makers offer voith. We have them in our 04 and newer gilligs and have problems with them. I blew one up without trying. Took over a month just to get the parts from Germany.

Its a shame that the newer engines don't have the fuel economy ad the older engines. Guess we can thank epa for that. I saw a while back a discussion about that. It started with the ultra low sulfur diesel. Then with the emissions stuff it made it even worse. Too bad the old two stroke Detroit's are considered too dirty. Miss those old things.
 
The current Cummins ISX uses similar fuel consumption as the old two-stroke Detroits but they don't have nearly as much emissions so it's not too bad. Fuel efficiency peaked in the 1995-2003 period with the original Detroit 60 without EGR.

Look what this is: https://www.flickr.com/photos/aerial-photos-new-york-ny/3468622669/sizes/l.

#2544, a "mobile garage" for Greyhound, converted from a passenger MC-12.

When I was in Denver, I caught this D4505 that had caught on fire: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95851032@N07/15257196879/sizes/l.

As far as the Detroit 60 EGR goes, I think the last MCI to ever be built with that engine was serial number 59854 (1M86DMHA9BP059854), a 2011 model year (2010 build year) for Greyhound as #86407. I don't know where it's based out of, haven't seen the 86400s in the West, but I know #86401 is/was a FL-owned unit.
 
MCI News:

Arrow Stage orders more J4500s: http://www.mcicoach.com/media-center/2014-10-07-arrow.htm.

These J4500s bring their J-fleet up to 61 units and E/J production counts have hit 7,000 units.

MCI presents redesigned D4500CT at APTA Expo Houston: http://www.mcicoach.com/media-center/2014-10-08-apta.htm.

The redesigned D4500CT motorcoaches have the J4500-style interior with the new amenity modules that include seat belt signs and large, LED reading lights. The new coaches are also equipped with all-disc brakes from Bendix. The new amenity modules do represent an improvement over Prevost's X3-45 modules that don't have seat belt signs. It appears that MCI is trying to make a push with the D4500CT and possibly D4505 against Prevost's X3-45.
 
Here: http://www.mcicoach.com/media-center/2014-10-01-br/.

Also, very weird seating in those coaches, not from any of the big three, National, American, and Amaya.

Well, perhaps Greyhound is considering this now that it has all-disks. Prevost has all-disks. Just needs Cummins to make the ISX12 more efficient or get a DD13.

I still prefer the old D4500 parcel racks with the indirect courtesy lighting, I wish they had simply plopped the new modules to the old racks. They seem to fit the rest of the coach more. The new interior has bright direct lighting.

Also, I hope they'll consider lowering the deck back down and possibly extending the wheelbase.
 
This video shows a NJT D4500CT with the redesigned interior: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzrP-kWSNx0.

It also received new LED headlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw6yMl59Ipk.

This treatment does not seem to have been applied to the D4505. I think it looks better and should be more durable as well. The new LED headlights are individually cased in stainless steel cubes. That redesigned D4500CT does lack flush-mounted windows like the previous D4500CT.

The newest D4505 order announcement, which is getting rare these days, still shows the old headlights, so it presumably has the old interior as well: http://www.mcicoach.com/media-center/2014-06-26-shuttle-service.htm.

Edit: The new D4500CT photographed in service on NJT Route 139 Lakewood to New York City: https://www.flickr.com/photos/shaneakacaitsith/14677682838/sizes/l.

Would not mind Greyhound getting some of these!
 
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Those high-mounted lights make the interior look a lot brighter! That's good for commuter express service.

To my understanding, even though it comes standard on the D4500CT, you can elect to not get the flush mounted bonded windows. NJT also appears to have ordered stainless steel skirts.

I think this supports my theory that a redesigned D4505 is in the works...
 
Hopefully it is in the works. I personally prefer the old angular roof cap of the original D4500. The high-mounted lights should not be a major problem for intercity service either, since Greyhound simply turns off all interior lighting when the entrance door close. The G4500 has similar lighting.

I think the skirts are always there but they can be smooth, treated, and painted over, or they can be ribbed for silversides.

You can elect to get tons of others things with the D4500CT, like the half-width destination sign, enclosed parcel racks, video systems, lavatories, old fenders, sedan door, even the old headlights.

If MCI offers a more efficient engine like the DD13, Greyhound would likely buy this motorcoach. Prevost still hasn't shown any indications of a redesign.
 
I'm taking a trip on greyhound to Pittsburgh, Pa tomorrow. Will let you guys know how the trip out and back goes and what kind of buses I get. Will try to get some pictures if I can of buses and post if I can figure that out.
 
Which schedules are you taking? If you take any schedule that ends in Pittsburgh (any schedule number not in the 1000s), most likely you'll get a X3-45. If you take a schedule that's going to Indianapolis, Saint Louis, Kansas City, Denver, or Los Angeles (schedules in the 1000s), you'll probably get a 102DL3 or Blue G.

1000s are usually the long-distance schedules that don't get in stuck in turn-and-burn rotations. Those and the 3000s go on the Turnpike. The 4000s go through Altoona on US 322 and US 22. Hope it goes well!

So are you really going to drive to Harrisburg or are you just going to ride a Trailways bus there?
 
Yeah, driving to Harrisburg. I checked schedule times for Hazleton and else here and it don't work. I would get there too late and have to leave too early. I want to spend time with friends, not get there, sleep and come home. Lol.

I'm taking schedule 1651 out and schedule 1679 back. Both r straight shots with only a rest break.
 
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