LSL Michigan Reroute Rumors & Speculation

[Metra Electric Rider]

It is just that Amtrak Chicago area staff and a bunch of folks in Toledo apparently leaks like a sieve.

We can't keep secrets in Chicago (that's why our politicians are always indicted).

 

[railiner]

If you really want to "keep" a secret.....tell no one...

 

[ScouseAndy]

perhaps this was leaked by Amtrak in a none official way to judge reactions from the people who care about Amtrak more than anyone namely those using forums such as (but not limited to) AU.

This way when the general reactions are negative around the proposal they can pull it and take on board the constructive critics then retweak it without losing face and having to do a U-turn.

​This sort of thing can and does happen in other industries so why not Amtrak?

 

[Thirdrail7]

perhaps this was leaked by Amtrak in a none official way to judge reactions from the people who care about Amtrak more than anyone namely those using forums such as (but not limited to) AU.

This way when the general reactions are negative around the proposal they can pull it and take on board the constructive critics then retweak it without losing face and having to do a U-turn.

​This sort of thing can and does happen in other industries so why not Amtrak?

Interesting.

So, you really think that someone at Amtrak leaked this to a teenager, who (reportedly) posted it on Facebook and other places for the sole purpose of soliciting feedback?

I'm not sure why, but I think I want to watch Billy Madison. I'm typically not an Adam Sandler fan but this movie did have its moments. Here's a clip to help you judge for yourself though.

 

[jis]

That was a brilliant response Thirdrail! Can't agree with you more!

 

[Thirdrail7]

That was a brilliant response Thirdrail! Can't agree with you more!

I'm here all night, taking requests. Don't forget to tip your waitstaff...for college, of course!

If you really want to "keep" a secret.....tell no one...

Indeed, but remember when things are told, there is often distortion when the last person receives the message. I have a feeling that someday, we're all going to sit back and have a nice laugh about this...assuming you haven't been laughing all along.

Perhaps, we'll even laugh at someone!

To be continued..............

 

[TylerP42]

Must be talking about someone else. Last time I checked, I was 19, and an adult. Unlike some people here who act like children.

 

[TylerP42]

Anyways, on the subject of this. My guess is that they did some studies and decided it was not the right time to do so. Michigan had been trying for a long distance train and Amtrak is probably trying to find and reasonable way to do this "test". It is exciting from both ends - and that's what buisness is about, think about something and look into it - and make the best possible outcome from it. Hopefully something good comes from this

 

[Thirdrail7]

Must be talking about someone else. Last time I checked, I was 19, and an adult. Unlike some people here who act like children.

This is almost too easy:

teen·ag·er

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"he's been counseling teenagers for twenty years"

Additionally, I'm not on Facebook so I never saw your post. I am also aware that you didn't start this thread which is why I used the word "reportedly."

Anyways, on the subject of this. My guess is that they did some studies and decided it was not the right time to do so. Michigan had been trying for a long distance train and Amtrak is probably trying to find and reasonable way to do this "test". It is exciting from both ends - and that's what buisness is about, think about something and look into it - and make the best possible outcome from it. Hopefully something good comes from this

Like I said, we're all going to get a nice laugh out of this at some point.

If I may make a suggestion, this thread has temporarily run its length. Perhaps it is time for a lock down until more information comes out...before accusations of personal attacks (and actual attacks) start flying.

I'm sure someones "sources" will start blabbing in a matter of weeks at which time we can reconvene.

 

[ScouseAndy]

perhaps this was leaked by Amtrak in a none official way to judge reactions from the people who care about Amtrak more than anyone namely those using forums such as (but not limited to) AU.

This way when the general reactions are negative around the proposal they can pull it and take on board the constructive critics then retweak it without losing face and having to do a U-turn.

​This sort of thing can and does happen in other industries so why not Amtrak?

Interesting.

So, you really think that someone at Amtrak leaked this to a teenager, who (reportedly) posted it on Facebook and other places for the sole purpose of soliciting feedback?

I'm not sure why, but I think I want to watch Billy Madison. I'm typically not an Adam Sandler fan but this movie did have its moments. Here's a clip to help you judge for yourself though.

Happens far more often then you might think actually lots of companies will start rumours on social media to gauge feedback, but rather than wake up and open your eyes you keep with your sarcastic responses

 

[Ryan]

He didn't say anything about how often it happens, he expressed skepticism that Amtrak did it.

Being that he works there and appears to have known more about this plan than anyone chasing rumors on the internet, I'm going to go ahead and believe him.

 

[TylerP42]

From what I hear there was logistical reasons on why it couldn't happen this October, but Amtrak is still kicking the plan around and trying to figure it out.

At this point, you may want to close the thread until something else happens.

 

[jis]

All I can say is that I did list a whole host of logistical items that would need working out and had expressed a certain level of skepticism that they would be worked out in the given time-frame that was initially suggested. I had also expressed skepticism about certain core parameters that were mentioned in the original rumor. They seemed to require modification of the laws of Physics and such. Oh well....Until the next time I guess.... It just did not pass the smell and taste test in its original form.

 

[WoodyinNYC]

This notion seemed premature from the first. Next October makes much more sense. All the Stimulus-funded work in Michigan, and the little bit in Indiana, should be finished by then.

Meanwhile, this was a great one for Boardman to leave for the next boss, LOL. Wick Moorman, the next boss, it turns out, should know a lot about it. The Lake Shore Ltd runs on Norfolk Southern track Cleveland-Chicago now. He can make the new route/detour work if anyone can.

 

[JoeBas]

From what I hear there was logistical reasons on why it couldn't happen this Octobe

Yeah, like the fact that the Einstein-Rosen Bridge between Toledo and Detroit hasn't been invented yet... h34r:

 

[west point]

Good points about logistics! Ideally the LSL & CL would need to both arrive Toledo at same time. Both trains be single level and interchange at least one car each to other train. There isn't enough single level cars at present. Getting NS & CSX both on board to change schedules is another problem. Then of course decent running times TOL - Detroit. Personnel switcher at TOL more problems. More reliable time keeping. Logistics goes on and on.

 

[brianpmcdonnell17]

They don't both necessarily have to be single level. You could attach cars to the transition sleeper or have a cross platform transfer. I personally prefer Superliners and would be less likely to travel east of Chicago on Amtrak if the CL became single level.

 

[reppin_the_847]

They don't both necessarily have to be single level. You could attach cars to the transition sleeper or have a cross platform transfer. I personally prefer Superliners and would be less likely to travel east of Chicago on Amtrak if the CL became single level.

The Superliners are nice & I love the lounge areas. My one qualm with the Superliners are the upper decks inside of the roomettes compared to the Viewliners. Also, I doubt Superliners will ever be introduced on the Lakeshore Limited as long as these trains have to go into NYC's Penn Station. I don't think there's a way for them to accommodate Superliners at Penn Station (tunnel height restrictions).

 

[brianpmcdonnell17]

They don't both necessarily have to be single level. You could attach cars to the transition sleeper or have a cross platform transfer. I personally prefer Superliners and would be less likely to travel east of Chicago on Amtrak if the CL became single level.

The Superliners are nice & I love the lounge areas. My one qualm with the Superliners are the upper decks inside of the roomettes compared to the Viewliners. Also, I doubt Superliners will ever be introduced on the Lakeshore Limited as long as these trains have to go into NYC's Penn Station. I don't think there's a way for them to accommodate Superliners at Penn Station (tunnel height restrictions).

Yes, unfortunately there is not sufficient clearance in NYP for Superliners. I usually prefer going via WAS so I can be on the Superliner train for most of the trip. The roomettes are nicer in Viewliners, but I usually travel in coach and even when I'm in a sleeper I spend most of my time in the lounge on Superliners.

 

[TylerP42]

They don't both necessarily have to be single level. You could attach cars to the transition sleeper or have a cross platform transfer. I personally prefer Superliners and would be less likely to travel east of Chicago on Amtrak if the CL became single level.

Toledo doesn't have tracks on the same platform. It goes platform, track 1, disconnected track 2, platform, active track 3, platform, disconnected tracks and so on with 3 or more platforms after that

 

[PerRock]

Toledo does have a platform bridge, although I don't know what it would take to get it usable again. Isn't Track 4 still connected, just not a thru track? I want to say they put stuff on it a year or two ago for NTD.

peter

 

[TylerP42]

Pretty sure at this point it's just 1 and 3.