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That looks something like ours....although ours are a solid black color, and ours have a kind of solid panel on the base, facing the aisle...I'll have to take another close look, next time I see one...

I believe the seatbelts on our outer seats come from between the seats, and click to the outside, kind of opposite what your photo shows.....

and I don't think we have the center armrests.....
 
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So, it's this? http://amaya-astron.com.mx/uploads/1377546192655_EN_ARCHIVO_1.pdf.

I wonder how they compare to National.
No...they look a lot more like the first example you linked...except that they are a solid black "leather", there is a solid metal panel covering the gap between the legs facing the aisle, and the seat belts on the aisle seats (I mistakenly stated 'outside', before), retract from between the seats,and click on the aisle side. No center armrest.
 
They do resemble those Burlington seats, except ours do not have the optional tray tables, or cup holders. We do have the mesh magazine pockets, and the footrests, but ours are a solid black--no color accents. I looked again at the Amaya-Astron web site, and nothing shown there resembles them. Perhaps this is a new model, and they are lagging in showing them for some reason. The seating surface and backrest, feels like real leather, or at least a high grade imitation....the sides and rear feel more like a cheaper vinyl.

And I can't tell from those Burlington photo's if they have the same kind of design around the legs of the seat....the Amaya photo does not show anything like it, with the solid panel connecting the two legs facing the aisle. The other end of the seat attaches directly to the wall of the coach.
 
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I found this: http://www.freedmanseating.com/seats_and_accessories/coach_seats/torino_g/.

I can now see the bottom panels you were talking about. I'm guessing these are all just options for the Amaya Torino G and G Plus.

What do you think of Burlington's red floor and white headliner? I think they made a poor choice there. The red floor looks dilapidated easily because it was apparently painted over the default black floor.
 
Frankly I think you should call Greyhound out on Facebook for having awful seats.

Faced with having to book a reservation down to Olympia for my wife and I... I went with Amtrak even though it was more expensive and less convenient... party because I knew the seats would be comfortable on Amtrak and partly because I still have lingering safety concerns with Greyhound buses.
 
I found this: http://www.freedmanseating.com/seats_and_accessories/coach_seats/torino_g/.

I can now see the bottom panels you were talking about. I'm guessing these are all just options for the Amaya Torino G and G Plus.

What do you think of Burlington's red floor and white headliner? I think they made a poor choice there. The red floor looks dilapidated easily because it was apparently painted over the default black floor.
No....those are different from what we have.....for one thing, those seem to have four legs, ours just two near the aisle, and the other end attached to the wall. And the panels between the legs appear different.

I like a black floor, with a few specks of blue, grey, or white, sort of like a dark marble effect. Shows the least dirt, and less glare at night from the under-seat night lights.

I dislike our latest coaches with the faux wood planks.....

I do like a white ceiling, as it creates a bright interior lighting when needed, and also makes the coach appear more spacious....
 
I've called out Greyhound on Facebook but they responded with ignorance. Similarly, I called them out for the inaccurate route map plus sending an e-mail but all to no avail.

I've also done Greyhound's surveys complaining about the seats and about the dirty D4505s.

To no avail.

You will not be surprised that I am pissed off against Greyhound right now. But this doesn't mean I will ride Amtrak due to high prices and poor schedule options out of Reno. Neither Greyhound nor Amtrak have good value for money on Reno-San Francisco, but Greyhound is cheaper, so whatever. To Salt Lake City, Amtrak timing is terrible (arrival for #6 in SLC) and Greyhound equipment is often better than on the San Fran route so, again, Greyhound.
 
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Dead man found on Greyhound: http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/dallas-county/2015/01/21/person-found-dead-greyhound-bus/22095653/.

Not only am I appalled at this, I'm also surprised that White G4500 #7262 made it onto Los Angeles-Dallas.

Man now identified: http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/me-identifies-passenger-found-dead-in-greyhound-bus-last-week.html/.

I'm not worried about safety on Greyhound out of Reno because I know the drivers here are great, but this does not mean that all Greyhound drivers across their vast system are great.

All this being said, I must say that Greyhound did a great job on the Centennial Tour and was hospitable to me at the Maintenance Center (gave permission to the enthusiast for photography).
 
I'm not worried about safety on Greyhound out of Reno because I know the drivers here are great, but this does not mean that all Greyhound drivers across their vast system are great.
I'm really not that concerned about Greyhound's drivers... on my trips on both BoltBus and Greyhound they have all been very professional and took pride in their job.
Actually, it's the other passengers on Greyhound that worry me. The company still hasn't done enough in my opinion to control who's boarding the bus. I'd like to see ID checks become standard for every passenger, and doing random checks with metal detectors much more frequently.

Frankly, I don't think Greyhound will do anything over fears that cracking down on security could push away some of their customers.
 
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I can't disagree, especially with the recent body found in the lavatory. I deal with it by sitting at the very front (riding shotgun) whenever possible, as you can see from my photos.

On my Los Angeles trip, I rode shotgun for both of the DL3s. When not riding shotgun or somewhere around the front, I've had one major incident on D4505 #86535 in Colorado when a old man decided to be a jerk and take two seats for himself. He had mental problems and was murmuring to himself. Thankfully, Chris from the Bronx offered me a seat by the wheelchair lift (the bus was sold out and two Amtrak-ticketed passengers got overbooked.). I took it despite the reduced legroom at the lift position. Chris and I agreed that the new seats are terrible. Thankfully, his bus from Denver to New York was #6541, a DL3.

In my experience, the slower schedules get more civilized passengers than the faster schedules. The US 101 southbound ride (Sked 6825) had no suspicious passengers until San Luis Obispo, and they all had to sit in the back because the front had been filled up already. The same can be said for the US 99 local that I rode.
 
A recap? I'm wondering why the owner is selling his 2001 H3-45 right after giving it a 2014 recap. But, if anything, this proves that the H3-45 hasn't changed much since its inception in 1994. I guess the recap is not particularly difficult for a fiberglass motorcoach. It even has the new fenders! Does still has the 2001 interior with FAINSA America seating.

I'm assuming the recap didn't cost much with that $135,000 price tag.

Oh ****, there's a fight outside!
 
I just read this interesting message on GTE: "GLI G4500 coach # 7272 does have a six monitor flat screen TV/VCR system installed, meal trays, full carpeting, and full window curtains. It is only used on the NYC-Buffalo Pool."

Here's a picture of said vehicle: http://www.barraclou.com/bus/greyhound/greyhound7272_2.jpg.

I don't know what to say about this.

On the same thread, I found this story on Peter Pan:
"Hi Lloyd,

It seemed like Greyhound would approach competitors with an offer they couldn't refuse, take this pool arrangement or we will put you out of business.

The competitor would be left with a pool arrangement that did not seem very generous.

After Bonanza was sold to CoachUSA in 1998, there was a lot of discussion among the top line operators through personal relationships built up over decades and through industry associations on what the future held, and what would be the best strategy for survival in a fast changing landscape. Sale or consolidation seemed to top the list. Peter Pan, used to dealing with Bonanza as competitors sometimes and allies at other times, found themselves perhaps in the group who might be left behind. They, over many years, had taken their line haul business from Springfield MA to Boston, To DC, To Baltimore and Phila and especially NYC. This was done incrementally through moves no one ever dared to do earlier, hopping on Greyhounds bread and butter lines.

In one case, about 10 years ago, the fare between NYC and DC was $25 each way. Greyhound lowered their fare to $19. Peter dropped his to $15.

Greyhound dropped their to $10. and Peter dropped his to $5.00. All summer, people could ride either line for $5.00 to NYC or DC, almost 200 miles. At the end of the summer, who blinked? Greyhound...returned the fare to $25 as did Peter. They went head to head on Boston to DC via NYC, Phila, Balto, DC.

Peter Pan had movies, Greyhound did not. Peter left Boston with 23 aboard. Greyhound left at the same time was 23 aboard. It became obvious that there were advantages to romance. But no one was going to hand Peter L. Picknelly a take it or leave it dish of crumbs and expect him to be happy.

It is said Mr. Kerrigan was chosen to negotiate. At the time, Peter was rumored to have 17% of the revenue out of a $75M pie in that corridor.

After all was said and done, he is believed to have walked away with 40% of the pie, gotten rid of lots of buses, reduced staffing greatly, and one other small point, Peter Pan administered the pool ( and presumably and most important, the money.) The term was for 30 years.

Peter was known as a visionary, and one could assume that he was setting up his successors/children in the unlikely event of his passing. But, on Oct 4, 2004, he did pass on.

The pool covers a lot of schedules over varying routes, local and express, and by most accounts, has been well operated. The only fly in the ointment is the arrival of Asian Carriers and others on the express routes running nearly 60 trips per day without any regard or deference to Peter Pan or Greyhound. Bill."

It is notable that current NYD-DCD fares go for as low as $1 on BoltBus, albeit with a booking fee.
 
Hey guys, I have found photos today that heavily suggest the Blue G4500s are indeed completely rebuilt in the same way that the 102DL3s were.

Here is 102DL3 #6977, rebuilt and painted blue, emblazoned with the decal "500", as it was the 500th rebuilt Greyhound motorcoach from the contract: https://www.flickr.com/photos/46147727@N03/16422579821/sizes/c/.

Here is G4500 #7128, emblazoned with the same decal except reading "700", which, to me, means that it was an extension of the same contract, and was the 700th rebuilt Greyhound motorcoach; as we know nowhere near 700 G4500s were ever built: https://www.flickr.com/photos/46147727@N03/16213497957/sizes/c/.

The "700" logo had to be moved to the R3 window presumably because the R1 window was being used for the 100th Anniversary badge.

This, to me, further means the G4500s went through the same contract and the same rebuild treatment as the 102DL3s.
 
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You assume ABC Companies put those stickers there...

Greyhound may have been the one putting those stickers on.

There's no question that the rebuild program that was contracted out to ABC is over. That company closed down the rebuild shop, so if G4500's are still being refurbished (which they might not be) it's all being done in house by Greyhound.

But let's be honest... we are splitting hairs here. The only question is did Greyhound fully rebuild the drivetrain on the G4500 or did they simply give them some maintenance. The other question is how long does Greyhound plan to keep the G4500 on the road.

Either way it doesn't really matter to the passengers, all they see is a blue bus that feels new and that's a good thing.
 
I still think they rebuilt (or remanufactured) the drivetrain which is a good drivetrain anyway, Detroit Diesel engine coupled to an Allison transmission. The G4500s should have all broken through 1,000,000 miles already anyway. Generally, that is how long a Detroit will last.

But on a different note, here's a Greyhound Setra: https://www.flickr.com/photos/46147727@N03/16397908551/sizes/l.

Notice it is "LEASED AND OPERATED BY: GREYHOUND LINES INC.", not owned or paid for by a loan (monthly payments).

That could also be a good reason why Greyhound might have wanted to keep the G4500s: They might be done with payments on them and want to keep them until they can't run a mile more.
 
Well, I found something else that's really weird: http://www.firststudentinc.com/transportation-management/used-bus-sales/list?Unit=&Location=&MinYear=&MaxYear=&PassengerMin=&PassengerMax=&WheelchairMin=&WheelchairMax=&Body=X345&Chassis=&Transmission=&FuelType=&Brakes=.

If that link works, then it should show First Group selling a Greyhound BoltBus X3-45. It's a 2009 build, #839, with the Detroit 60 14L 425hp EGR engine and 50 (Painful) Premier seating. Serial 72650. As to why it's for sale, I've got no idea.

The same site has got some old 1998 102D3s and 102DL3s for sale. They're 102D3s #1065, #85779, and #85780 and 102DL3 #51164. I have no idea how Greyhound got #51164 unless it's a renumbering or from another First division since the mileage appears to be low (could be a typo).
 
Those seats look fantastic and they look very comfortable. I wouldn't mind sitting for a few hours on one of those! The only complaint I have about that interior is the dated looking green/grey chevron fabric headliner and rear wall. I much solid surfaces with neutral colors, although I imagine that carpeted surfaces cuts down on road noise a bit.
 
I'm sure it's a comfortable H3-41. Notice the caption on the bottom right corner that says it only carries 38 passengers. There's also two table booths in the back. I'm guessing Bell-Horizon kept the headliner when they rebuilt the coach.

But I think you're sat in those seats before, they are FAINSA America except reupholstered. They appear to have been standard Prevost seating before seat belt requirements, just like how National and American were standard MCI seating.
 
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Gotcha. Well then I really wouldn't mind sitting in those seats for a few hours! 38 seats on a 40 foot bus seems small so I'm also guessing that this bus has pretty generous legroom. The club seating areas with tables is a good choice too. You really don't lose a lot of seats to put it in and families/groups love them. Amtrak California's new D4505s have 2 club seating areas with tables and they're always the first seats to be claimed.

On a totally unrelated note I wanted to share what the Seahawks team bus looks like...



That's actually the first of two Setras that were wrapped in Hawks colors. Interestingly these buses are used by team staff and media only. The players typically travel in Prevost H3-45s in MTR Western's standard livery.
 
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